Can Card Counting Beat a Continuous Shuffle Machine?

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Some blackjack tables have machines that continually shuffle the cards together. Mathematician Stephen How wrote an article stating that you can count cards at a Continuous Shuffle Machine, so I dig into the math and explain what to expect when counting cards at a CSM game.

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Can Card Counting Beat a Continuous Shuffle Machine?

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  1. 99% of the casino in Macau use CSM. However, the rules are like this: 6 decks, S17, DAS, Early Surrender, No Peek. I checked on some Basic Strategy Engine and said the Estimated casino edge for these rules: -0.08 %.
    Negative Casion edge?!! is it really possible? For more information, these tables also offer Pairs and Under/Over 13 side bet.

  2. Here in Australia i have yet to go into a casino without a CSM machine there. Not only that, the discard tray limits at two decks, making the true count almost useless. Unless you have a ridiculous running count theres a low chance youre going to be profiting

  3. I know of a team that reverse engineered a csm and found that by listening to the csm shuffle they can sometimes gain information about the deck. However he wouldn't tell me how it works. Does anyone know anything about this? They've made a lot of money with this information as far as I know, but this was a long time ago.

  4. The shuffle machine can be bet , I already bit them for more than 20k , at late night the dealer will be very tired to remove all the cards and put it again in shuffle machine I notice that most of the time they play until 3 decks when it’s late night and there is a lot of players on the table , yesterday I bit them by 3k , the true count was +5 in three decks which has been delt so I spread 7 bets on the table with 200$ each bet , I received three blackjack and two 8s which I split and double it down as the dealer have 6 , I win all of them and the dealer bust , so counting cards work also in shuffle machine if the dealer is lazy to put again the cards in the machine , my advice play always the minimum when you loose and increase the bets when the count in your favorite don’t scare to loose the money especially when you play perfect basic strategy and perfect betting

  5. In my city, the CSM is widely used in the European blackjack and before anyone plays, they “burn” the first 5 cards upside down soooo yeah I am pretty loveed up.

  6. One thing to point out – when a casino installs CSM’s for the first time, it’s common to find significant penetration though dealer errors.

  7. Guess what..I looked this up after I lost money just now. Was like wtf is that I feel like I'm losing too much and here you have it.

  8. This bad for Australian card counters. Australia has a badty law that only allows one casino per state so they can make any change they want and we have to suck it up or not gamble.

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